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Bill Alstrom (MA/Maine/MA)'s avatar

Dear "Substack friend".

As you know, I'm a "guy" :). I hope I can bring something to this subject from that perspective. First, I got shivers reading both of your pieces. I felt your discomfort and...fear. So please understand that I get how you feel your life has been invaded by this person. Not acceptable.

But here is a guys take:

Most of us guys are pathetic. We are in a forever circular loop of seeking approval from females. It goes right back to needing to please Mom. That can be helpful to some degree in a relationship. But beyond that it gets complicated. And clumsy. And awkward. And often, inappropriate.

It could be that this character just wants you to like him. And then he resumes his coffee. I have had many, many more female friends than guys. My most enjoyable years in a retail merchandising career was when I led a team of women buyers (we ran the women's sportswear division). The work, the dinners in NYC - the camaraderie was a joy. The guys in the menswear division were jerks. One of the happiest days in my career was when the boss offered me a plum job in women's wear. Mens wear had been dull and frankly a lot less profitable. Sorry, I am digressing.

Or this guy is looking for more. It doesn't really matter, does it? You want to be left alone. That's your human right.

So for what it is worth, if I were that guy and I was innocently looking for a female connection of any kind...I mean where DO you meet new people? I would appreciate a straight forward version of

"I want to be alone to exercise. Privately. No talking. No new friends. Just exercise. Please don't try to engage with me. Thank you for understanding."

If he is indeed a "stalker" (the Googling was creepy!) and he persists, unfortunately, you are now, through no fault of your own, in a danger zone. Tell the management, call the cops if it gets weirder, go to another gym. It ain't fair. It ain't right. But if he is that horrible, your safety is paramount.

Hope it's OK for me to jump in here. But your story disturbed me, made me worried. This guy needs a direct red light, full stop message. If he has any decency or normalcy, he will fade away.

Linda Lochridge Hoenigsberg's avatar

Ilona, that's maddening. The worst part is that as women, we always need to be on alert. It may be as Bill Alstrom says, and just a lonely guy who can't take a hint. But unless he's missing all the cues or has decided to try to wear you down, you have made yourself clear, and he's not getting it. The googling and then telling you about it is a huge red flag, as well as asking you about your education and then attempting to flatter you with his thoughts about it. I agree with Bill, that a first step is to tell him that you want privacy when you exercise. If that doesn't work, talk to the management. These two choices would be hard for me, if I'm honest. Let us know what happens next!

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